DotA 2 integrated Beta

[Motion4]

I saw video 30 minutes ago and I noticed you guys released the DotA 2 integrated. I typed in the advanced box "+dota_sixense_enabled 1" and went in game; Okay. When I took my controllers off base it freezes and crash. What do I have on? I'm sure I close the Razer configurer.

[Vandelay]

Just tried this myself and getting the same problem; game crashes as soon as you pick up the controllers.

Not actually sure whether DOTA2 integration has actually been released yet though, as I can't find any reference to it outside of that video.

[Dan]

Had a feeling this might happen. The latest patch to dota2 had a change which caused our beta DLLs to cause a crash. We have private custom DLLs which are functional currently but I believe these will soon be pushed into the public beta build.

I'll get you an update Monday.

[Motion4]

Today is monday, don't we get get an update for DotA 2 or a .dll download from here?

[Dan]

We're looking in to whether or not we can distribute DLLs, unfortunately I couldn't get an update on when the working DLLs will be pushed public. I'll leave updated information on the issue here as I receive it.

[Kossak]

I just go my Razer Hydra and i'm loving it! Now waiting for these DLLs to play DotA 2 with it :)

[Drako]

Any News on when to add the updated DLLs. There were already 2 Patches still not working.

Looking forward to sixensed Dota2

[Dan]

There was an issue where not all of the required DLLs were pushed, resulting in the persisting of the crashing issues. The latest DLLs however should be patched in to the public build this patch, which I believe is Wednesday.

[Kossak]

Dota 2 patches are deployed on thursdays (or if you live in Europe as i do - on Friday morning). I'm waiting for the proper DLL too, cause dota 2 is the only game that i still have to use my mouse for :)

[Dan]

Dota 2 just patched, and it works. Have fun.

[Drako]

Its not crashing now but if I use the trigger of left controller i can't pan camera and edge pan is disabled so how to move camera?

Greetz

[Dan]

Can you try typing dota_camera_sixense_pan_speed 4000 in the console and see if that fixes it? That may not be exactly it as my memory is faint but you should see the variable as you type it in, set it to 4000-10000 depending on what you feel comfortable with.

[Kossak]

Awesome news! Thank you, i'll check when i get back home... or maybe later, cause today there are Gosu's dota 2 finals.

[Drako]

Thanks it worked. It was set to 1.0 no wonder it didn't move when 4k to 10k is standard :-D

Greetz

[Kossak]

can i change the way that camera works? I'd like to be able to control camera like a mouselook and not freelook.

[Drako]

Can you change the zone size of the camera movement? I need more room til max speed.

[Motion4]

How to enable console Dota 2?

[Drako]

rightclick dota2 insteam --> properties -->set launch options --> add "-console" with out "

[Kossak]

anyway i felt like complete noob while playing Dota 2 with hydra for the first time :D. I have to get used to it in order to be any good :)

[Dan]

It's a different way of playing that takes some practice to unlearn your current edge scrolling behavior. In our tests players who have never played before learn faster than those who have.

There is a mode that allows you to grab and move the play field. From our testing this is much less useful due to it being slower and less accurate.

Once you're used to the panning you raise the speed up, I play at 10,000 and can whip across the map very quickly to a specific point, or slowly follow my hero as I lane block.

My point is, give it some time to get used to.

Please share your ideas and feedback in the newly created Dota 2 Integrated forum!! It's important we hear from you so we can use the information to further develop features. I'm going to be seeing if I can talk about some of our yet to be implemented features with the community as well, I think it'd be good to get the ideas floating around.

[Drako]

Same story here - my mate flamed real hard because I was so slow compared to mouse. xD

I miss a recenter on hero button. It would be great to have a list of console Commands and button names to customize the variables and the sixense cfg.

[Dan]

This is not something you can expect to pick up and start playing at the same skill level as you are with the mouse and keyboard currently. To expect that shallow of a learning curve is extremely unrealistic and will probably just serve to make you upset and ruin your experience.

Play a few bot games, get the hang of the binds before you dive in the deep end and try to compete. We school MKB players in the office on a regular basis with the Hydra so I assure you no one will complain you're slow once you know what you're doing.

As for recenter on hero button, are you press-press-and-holding F1 to do this currently?

[Kossak]

It would be great to have a list of console Commands and button names to customize the variables and the sixense cfg.
I would use it too - for increasing my left controller sensitivity. What's the command for it?

[Dan]

The sixense cfg must be changed manually in the file itself, any bindings you enter into the console will only last during that run unless you write them to the cfg from the console.

Kossak which command are you asking for?

Typing "find sixense" in the console will list all of our commands.

[Kossak]

I was looking for a command that could allow bigger sensitivity of my left controller, when i move it while holding left trigger (for moving camera). I want to reach the max level of camera moving speed (the inner circle should reach the max range/outer circle quicker) by moving my controller by a shorter distance. I'll search for it using "find sixense" when i get home in the evening.
(Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough, english is not my native language)

[Dan]

Off hand I don't know if there is an exposed con var for the controller angle values hooked to the camera reticule.

However you should be able to achieve the same effect by increasing pan speed value. Try setting dota_camera_sixense_pan_speed 10000

That should increase your camera responsiveness and mobility.

[Motion4]

For my right controller 3, how do i change the marcos? like i want to change the ganking top - ganking bot to something else. where can i edit it?

[Drako]

I used the press press to recenter remapped to spacebar. Found out that right Joystick right right recenter on hero works too but its pretty slow I think I remap it to right button 4 I use teamspeak/skype for voice. Currently I am Testing a setup with joystick pan but now I miss 2 buttons for D and F abilitys. I also try switching hold and deny to bumper left witch works pretty well. Also I removed the Queue Moves from right bumper and replaced with a Item. I think i need to learn motion panning cause you really need the 4 extra buttons the joystick gives you. perhaps mapping the main abiltys to the joystick and move secondarys to the buttons works better for me.

<-- Needs some more test games :-)

For editing the Configs I used the find Command in the console and wrote the commands to the test cfg. Is there a way to hotload a new cfg file? I don't want to restart every time I change something.

[Motion4]

so, does anyone know how to change the chat grid?

[Dan]

@Drako
We left that functionality out because we thought the double press was a lame way to do it. If Dota2 had a binding to move camera to hero like LoL did we would have added it in, still we'll consider getting it in future revisions of the bind. Suggest where you'd put it. Motion panning has been something which is picked up extremely fast by new users, but old users have a hard time rewiring their brains. I'd suggest toughing through a few bot games.

Additionally I had one tester who really had a hard time with the motion panning and said he felt he would have an easier time with it if you pointed in the general direction you wanted to pan then pressed the trigger to start moving in that direction, with the analog value of the trigger hooked up to camera pan speed. This is a mode I'm pushing to have added in as I think it may be more intuitive.

You should be able to just change your binds in console and write to the cfg without restarting. Loading the cfg would just load the current written state. Get 25 games in and see how you're feeling.

@Motion4
The chat grid is currently coded in the DLLs unfortunately it's planned to have the strings exposed for editing in a future update.

[Ajores]

I can't for the life of me get Dota 2 to work with the hydra.

I've entered the launch option, checked it repeatedly to make sure it was typed correctly, and then I made sure the razor system tray was closed (which honestly I've not used since I found the MC). I saw that Dota was updated on the 13th, could that possibly be my problem?

Leaving the Razor Sys Tray on doesn't seem to work, neither does leaving the MC open. Could anyone point me in the right direction here?

[Dan]

Right click dota 2 in Steam, choose Properties, click Set Launch Options, paste the line below into the field

-console -window -w 1920 -h 1200 -noborder +dota_force_right_click_attack 1 +dota_player_units_auto_attack 0 +dota_sixense_enabled 1

Change your resolution -w and -h to what your preference. This turns right click deny on and auto pursue off so take those out respectively if you want. This way you're using exactly what I am in terms of your launch options.

Now holster your Hydra handset in the base and launch Dota2, wait till the curtains open and you see the front page with the console now up. Pick the controllers up out of the base and press the right joystick button in when you're in a comfortable play position, this will set the mouse cursor center origin.

If you're getting no mouse cursor control at this point let me know.

[Ajores]

It's working like a gem now, thanks a bunch!

So any tips on playing well for a first time DOTA player? ;P

[Kossak]

So any tips on playing well for a first time DOTA player? ;P

If you're new to the game/genre try playing few matches with the bots first. There's a lot of different mechanics/heroes/items/terms/strategies so you need quite a lot of time and practice to be good (and people may be harsh if they don't like how you play, so just ignore if they trash talk, and listen if they give you good advice).
You may want to read a guide for beginners like this one: http://www.playdota.com/learn
And if you want to play a new hero it is good to read a guide about it first, and play a match with the bots to get to know its skills.

[Ajores]

Hey... is there a Hydra group in the Dota2 chat field? Cause I'd join that in a heart beat if there was.

[Dan]

If you're new to the game/genre try playing few matches with the bots first. There's a lot of different mechanics/heroes/items/terms/strategies so you need quite a lot of time and practice to be good (and people may be harsh if they don't like how you play, so just ignore if they trash talk, and listen if they give you good advice).
You may want to read a guide for beginners like this one: http://www.playdota.com/learn
And if you want to play a new hero it is good to read a guide about it first, and play a match with the bots to get to know its skills.

Great advice, we school mouse and keyboard players regularly in the office using the Hydra integration, it just takes some time to rewire your brain. :)

[Motion4]

Haha, you guys should make those notify things pop on the Dota 2 intergration to learn how to play it! Like you know what you guys did for Portal 2! It's for those people that don't know the keys for DotA 2!

[Drako]

When will we see a update on the dota 2 integration like custom grids ?